I'm not sure how I feel about this.
https://reverb.com/news/gibson-announces-custom-shop-les-paul-with-built-in-overdrive?utm_campaign=a8e30cc8ea-rn170802_dns_non_personalized&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=0_5889ed6702-a8e30cc8ea-64448277
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Just seems wrong to me.
At 5700$ I know exactly how I feel about it.
Gibson is so innovative. Oh wait, nevermind. https://www.electraguitar.com/pages/history
I don't like it. But I'm very set in my ways.
No worse than the ridiculous "self tuning" robot Gibsons I suppose.
I wonder what the mysterious "analog overdrive" will be. Given its 3 control set up my first thought would be a BMP, but shoving one of those up an LP's tailpipe just seems... weird. Not to mention needing a screwdriver anytime you want to change a setting...
I could get like, sticking in something dirt simple like a LPB or SHO, thats easy enough and transparent enough to actually work in an "always in the chain" config, but this?
And seriously, almost 6 grand. No.
How does an OD circuit, that any of us can build, crammed into a guitar cavity justify doubling its price?
Quote from: somnif on August 02, 2017, 07:31:55 PM
No worse than the ridiculous "self tuning" robot Gibsons I suppose.
I wonder what the mysterious "analog overdrive" will be. Given its 3 control set up my first thought would be a BMP, but shoving one of those up an LP's tailpipe just seems... weird. Not to mention needing a screwdriver anytime you want to change a setting...
I could get like, sticking in something dirt simple like a LPB or SHO, thats easy enough and transparent enough to actually work in an "always in the chain" config, but this?
And seriously, almost 6 grand. No.
Rehoused behringer probably.
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Decidedly impractical for a convenience feature. Having the controls recessed on the backside of the guitar requiring a tiny screwdriver make them less useful than bending down and changing controls on an actual pedal.
They've done silly crap like this before. At least the RD Artist guitar & bass had Moog stuff in it. In fact the model was pretty much built around the electronics. But this? For one thing I'll never be able to afford an LP anymore but this strikes me as adding a trunk net to a Ferrari.
More non sense for people who can't play but have disposable income. ("It's got a built in overdrive....")
First of all.... I believe the pricing is so high because they plop the words "Custom Shop" in the name.
Second of all..... probably just a tweaked TS in the cavity ::)
Shove an OD in a guitar? Sure! But start talking about active pickups and the same guys loose their mind. ???
I have trick wiring in a few guitars, but if I'm going to put an effect in the instrument I want an effect that I would want to manipulate in real time (a delay, maybe? Chaos pad?) and easy access to the controls.
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Would have been more impressive the other way around: an overdrive with a les paul built in.
Quote from: lars on August 07, 2017, 01:10:23 PM
Would have been more impressive the other way around: an overdrive with a les paul built in.
BAM! I don't mind the overdrive or even a floyd rose, just not on a Les Paul, it's just an American tradition style guitar.
The only cool guitars I've seen with overdrives and stuff built in, are those Space Marine ones that were posted here :)
I'll admit I found Matt Belamy's (Muse) Fuzz Factory guitar intriguing, but in that case it made some sense to load it on the instrument as the pick guard was used as a theramin antenna to modulate the voltage (stab control).
This particular case just seems silly. Putting cavities in the guitar reduces some of that lovely mass-to-sustain ratio LPs have, and you need a screwdriver to adjust the settings on the blasted thing.
Quote from: alanp on August 07, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
The only cool guitars I've seen with overdrives and stuff built in, are those Space Marine ones that were posted here :)
Those are badassery
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My opinion, they try a f*ck with e formula too much. Just give us regular 50's style LP's with nice burts and tops. THAT'S ALL WE WANT. Maybe some grover tuners or a tone pros bridge BUT LEAVE IT THERE. Simple works, it's worked for decades now, LEAVE IT. GAH lol
And maybe priced to be reasonable.
The problem is a lack of built-in obsolescence.
I mean, when someone buys a "real Les Paul", they hang onto it for as long as possible. People like to buy old LP's with "tone". It's not a recipe for selling new Les Pauls all the time to people who already have them, like with iPhones. And once your target market all have Les Pauls with toan, you're going to have to manufacture a new market.
Quote from: alanp on August 08, 2017, 06:34:39 PM
The problem is a lack of built-in obsolescence.
I mean, when someone buys a "real Les Paul", they hang onto it for as long as possible. People like to buy old LP's with "tone". It's not a recipe for selling new Les Pauls all the time to people who already have them, like with iPhones. And once your target market all have Les Pauls with toan, you're going to have to manufacture a new market.
You make a good point.
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I have a strat with the clapton boost kit in it and lace sensor pickups and I love it, but it's not really the same...don't put a bumper sticker on a Mercedes benz!
Quote from: alanp on August 08, 2017, 06:34:39 PM
The problem is a lack of built-in obsolescence.
I mean, when someone buys a "real Les Paul", they hang onto it for as long as possible. People like to buy old LP's with "tone". It's not a recipe for selling new Les Pauls all the time to people who already have them, like with iPhones. And once your target market all have Les Pauls with toan, you're going to have to manufacture a new market.
To a lesser extent, I even think about that with things like modeling amps. Those Kemper and AxeFX modelers are very very cool, but when the new models come out, the old ones get devalued quickly.
Quote from: pickdropper on August 09, 2017, 02:47:13 PM
To a lesser extent, I even think about that with things like modeling amps. Those Kemper and AxeFX modelers are very very cool, but when the new models come out, the old ones get devalued quickly.
Vintage gear is weird. Some things are instant classics, other things don't catch on until they are well out of production. Nobody wanted Fender offsets until recently. In the 80's, people would have made fun of you for using spring reverb—that sound is back again! Silvertone and Harmony guitars have always been trash, but people spend stupid money on them now. Gold Foil pickups? Nobody cared five years ago.
There will always be some diehard fan for any given piece of gear. I'm sure in 2050 when the Kemper BiasFX XVII comes out, someone on a forum somewhere will be opining about the good old days of primitive IR when you had to use up two whole rack spaces instead downloading it by Bluetooth to your guitar's on-board hard drive.
The TB303 and TR808 are the most famous examples of this :)
Quote from: alanp on August 10, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
The TB303 and TR808 are the most famous examples of this :)
Yup so much so roland themselves finally made a re-issue tb-303
Quote from: movinginslomo on August 10, 2017, 03:33:35 PM
Quote from: alanp on August 10, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
The TB303 and TR808 are the most famous examples of this :)
Yup so much so roland themselves finally made a re-issue tb-303
And the fact that any drum-machine produced backing track is now commonly referred to simply as an "808". Which I always found a bit funny as the 808 was quite expensive and quite rare even in its hayday and most of the tracks associated with it used clones and knockoffs.
That's certainly true for old analog synths and early drum machines, but a lot of the old digital gear hasn't fared as well. There may be some collecting of it, but it's still pennies on the dollar.
Check out old 90's rack mount guitar processors. Some have bumped up a tad as people get curious about them again, but they aren't worth all that much.
It's possible the current crop of modelers will recover some value down the road, but if be shocked if they became collectors items. I could be wrong; it wouldn't be the first time.
Quote from: pickdropper on August 10, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
It's possible the current crop of modelers will recover some value down the road, but if be shocked if they became collectors items. I could be wrong; it wouldn't be the first time.
If that's true, what do you think the fate of the mega delays and reverbs of today will be? Do you think Strymon, TC, Empress, and Eventide units will hold their value, or will shimmer become pasé like chorus did after the 80's?
Quote from: Aleph Null on August 11, 2017, 07:54:35 AM
Quote from: pickdropper on August 10, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
It's possible the current crop of modelers will recover some value down the road, but if be shocked if they became collectors items. I could be wrong; it wouldn't be the first time.
If that's true, what do you think the fate of the mega delays and reverbs of today will be? Do you think Strymon, TC, Empress, and Eventide units will hold their value, or will shimmer become pasé like chorus did after the 80's?
That'll be interesting to see. If digital effects continue to improve, then the mega delays and reverbs of delay will likely decline in value and not necessarily bounce back; especially if they are superseded by better models from the same manufacturer.
There are a couple of scenarios that could drive them towards collectibility:
1.) The newer models aren't actually better (due to cost cutting, chips no longer available, etc...)
2.) It turns out they have some weird sound quality that people really really like.
Chorus became passe after the 80's, but their is still a fairly strong market for the old analog choruses. The older digital choruses didn't fare as well.
That's the thing isn't it. We would accept stuff like this from Ibanez, not from Gibson...and Gibson should know that by now.
Quote from: gordo on August 08, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
And maybe priced to be reasonable.
Yeah, if you don't care about a traditional "Les Paul" and want onboard effects, it's much cheaper to just get a Line 6 JTV-59 Variax, which has a ton more options and looks to be a very nice guitar to boot. I would definitely buy it instead of a real Les Paul that has a cheap overdrive shoehorned in. If Gibson is trying to compete in that market, they've completely missed the mark in price ($4,000 difference :o) and features. I doubt the build quality is a wide a gap as they would like you to believe as well.
Wait, Gibson completely missed the mark again? Hard to believe! I guess that would really suck if you paid 5 grand for that hog and didn't care for the tone from the overdrive.