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Title: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: Alex on October 28, 2017, 09:37:30 AM
If anyone is interested in building this on vero, I've added a layout today. ;)
https://tagboardeffects.blogspot.fr/2017/10/earthquaker-devices-palisades.html?showComment=1509208410722#c6493601815442262278
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: Adam_DIY on October 28, 2017, 12:02:33 PM
I was just looking at this and working out what I need to order to build it.  Thanks Alex  ;D
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: matmosphere on October 28, 2017, 01:20:35 PM
A resistor that runs parallel to the traces! Blasphemy!!

I've been interested in this one for a while.

Looks cool. I might give it a shot. Any reason it would be a bad idea to move the diodes and tone caps all to the rotary switches and save a bit of wire?
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: bsoncini on October 28, 2017, 04:23:50 PM
Nice. Never really been a fan of the tube screamer but I love doing Vero. Maybe it fees more diy than PCB or I like challenge with all the off board wiring but I'm gonna have to try this.

Recently built the systech overdrive from the tagboards site. Sweet pedal.

You guys deserve a lot for all you do with that site. If you're ever in Paris, I owe you numerous beers.
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on October 29, 2017, 01:14:51 AM
cool stuff. Sounds very interesting. Do you have a schematic you could share (pm/email)? I'm interested in how they changed the circuit and how true it is to the 808
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: selfdestroyer on October 30, 2017, 11:44:29 AM
The clipping changes and the switching input buffer make this interesting to me. I almost bought a used one early this year but passed it up.

Cody
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on October 31, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
is it possible that the leftmost MPSA18 is put in the wrong way (180° flipped). 9V should go to the collector right?
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: selfdestroyer on October 31, 2017, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on October 31, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
is it possible that the leftmost MPSA18 is put in the wrong way (180° flipped). 9V should go to the collector right?

There are some comments about that on the FSB forum.

QuoteManfred wrote:
A BJT can also be operated in inverse order, but the diffrence is that the gain is significantly lower than in normal order.
I ran a simualtion of the buffer circuit and found the stage gains as follows.

Normal mode: 0.987
Inverse mode: 0.522

I suppose that was an intentional circuit design decision on the developer.

In that case the "Input Boost" is switched off if the circuit is active.

Intripped said
Quotewith the mpsa18 operating in inverse order the input signal-level is equal to the output, so you don't have differences in volume when you flip the buffer switch.

Not 100% sure yet.. I'm sure someone can correct this if its wrong around here. I'm also reading up on BJT to see if I can wrap my head around it.

Cody
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on November 01, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
I was wondering because the TS808 had it put in "regular" with 9V to the collector
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: storyboardist on November 07, 2017, 06:48:49 AM
Quote from: m-Kresol on November 01, 2017, 01:57:23 AM
I was wondering because the TS808 had it put in "regular" with 9V to the collector

That confused me a good bit too when I first saw it. If/when I get around to building it I'm just gonna use a socket and see what the difference is between backwards (E to 9V) and normal (C to 9V).

Here's an perf/etch layout to throw in the mix.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-40PvmcZoJiU/Wfomoh3pP7I/AAAAAAAAFsw/dmIBfZ83s78LI7oSMMaQ6TK_DdQ9qRjGACK4BGAYYCw/s640/EQD%2BPalisades.png) (https://effectslayouts.blogspot.com/2017/11/earthquaker-devices-palisades.html)
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on November 07, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
I might do that too. I just finished and ordered a set of pcbs. It has some extra tricks up the sleeves, so I'm eager to build it.

sorry for the huge pic. Just copied the link from oshpark and didn't bother shrinking it down

(https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/28ec59af8e575cc31cbfce0bc2099af0.png)
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: Adam_DIY on November 07, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
That looks epic Felix what else did you add?
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on November 07, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
it fits in a 1590bb, has onboard optical bypass for OD and boost and the internal DIP5 mode switches lets you select if OD is the master bypass or if it's acting as two stand-alone units. I indicated that next to the DIP switch. I ordered 10 boards from elecrow (was still cheaper than 3 from OSH), so once verified, I'll have some to spare.
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: brejna on November 07, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
Awesome, I'll take one! :)
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: dan.schumaker on November 07, 2017, 12:10:43 PM
Yeah, I'm going to want one of those too :)
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: Adam_DIY on November 07, 2017, 12:31:33 PM
Awesome I'll take one as well if there's enough available.
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: storyboardist on November 07, 2017, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on November 07, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
(https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/28ec59af8e575cc31cbfce0bc2099af0.png)

HA! I knew when you asked if anyone had a 2P6T model in Eagle you were laying this out. haha Looks awesome!
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on November 07, 2017, 01:18:08 PM
Does anyone know why osh and elecrow process all letters in "vector" font, but "fixed" and "proportional" don't work? I accidentally used fixed, so the aligning of some of the text is off. not important to the electronics, but still not ideal
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: matmosphere on November 07, 2017, 01:33:47 PM
I might buy a couple of those.
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: storyboardist on November 07, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
Just an FYI, a guy who works for EQD commented on my Instagram that there are a few things that aren't right with the trace. In his words, "You have some discrete misses." Doesn't sound like anything major, just little stuff.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbMo0FLn_7x/?taken-by=effectslayouts
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on November 07, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
thanks for the heads up. I guess its nothing major as the core Tubescreamer is still there. I actually did not redraw the whole thing, but went off my TS808 schematic.

Maybe Q1 is upside down ;D ;D
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on November 23, 2017, 11:41:09 AM
pcbs came in. I'll verify it before christmas and offer the remaining 10 boards then in the BST section.

(http://felix.kalium.org/upload/share/Helium_OD1.jpg)

(http://felix.kalium.org/upload/share/Helium_OD2.jpg)
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: somnif on November 23, 2017, 12:42:12 PM
With that enclosure in the background, I'm imagining some unholy black magic will be used to shove this monster into a 1590A.

Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: Adam_DIY on November 23, 2017, 03:10:45 PM
Quote from: somnif on November 23, 2017, 12:42:12 PM
With that enclosure in the background, I'm imagining some unholy black magic will be used to shove this monster into a 1590A.

Forget boty that would be build of the century  ;D
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: cajone5 on November 25, 2017, 01:40:35 PM
Definitely interested in a PCB as well.
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: Hirti on November 26, 2017, 09:52:51 AM
Yup, definitely also interested in a PCB. :)
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: ryanisradd on November 27, 2017, 09:51:05 AM
I'd love one 8) Looks fantastic!
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: matmosphere on February 03, 2018, 10:38:00 PM
Did anything ever come of this? I'd love to take a crack at one if you end up selling them.
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: m-Kresol on February 03, 2018, 11:39:40 PM
unfortunately not yet. I made the foolish mistake of mixing 9mm pots and the big rotary switches, which isn't comfortable to build.
The effect generally works, but there's something off with the rotarys (I think I just put them in the wrong order from my labelling...) and the extra bypass mode has a problem. again, it works, but when I have boost and drive as stand alone units, the drive looses lots of volume. I haven't gotten around to having a look at it, but I plan to. Can't say when (I'm building a tube amp), but have written down all the names that expressed interest.

sorry for not posting anything sooner
Title: Re: EQD Palisades on vero
Post by: matmosphere on February 04, 2018, 04:13:38 AM
No worries, I have plenty of other things to work on at the moment.

Good luck with the amp build. That sounds pretty fun.