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Title: labelling on a dark background
Post by: MarkL on January 15, 2019, 03:35:17 PM
For the first time, I've painted an enclosure a dark color (deep metallic blue).  I've used waterslide decals efftctively in the past but only on lighter backgrounds, and only with black lettering.  I use laser printer stock from Small Bear, but my printer is only B&W.  I'd really like to use a bright purple or orange on this background and have it stand out -- can anybody suggest how I can do that?  Is there a resource you use or know about that could help create a logo for me that could slide onto the enclosure the same way but with bright colors?
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: madbean on January 15, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
An idea:

Print on color paper and laminate it. Then spray adhesive the back, affix to a drilled enclosure, put a heavy book on it while it dries. Then cut out the holes with an Xacto knife. Finish with spray clear.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: matmosphere on January 15, 2019, 05:12:19 PM
You could see if a copy shop could print color on the water slide paper for you.

I use a method where I print on transparency, it works great for full color graphics but doesn't look good with just text.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: davent on January 15, 2019, 05:15:30 PM
I've hand lettered with white paint - you could then go over that with a transparent colour.

I've cut stencils from frisket film and again white lettering on black.

I've done a black decal for a black enclosure, cut a stencil, a slightly bigger outline of the lettering then used the stencil to spray a white spot on the enclosure for the decal to be set on.

stencil and hand lettering

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=17891.msg171853#msg171853

dave
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: jimilee on January 15, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
I use water slide with a white background rather than clear. Colors pop more.


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Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: matmosphere on January 15, 2019, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: davent on January 15, 2019, 05:15:30 PM
I've hand lettered with white paint - you could then go over that with a transparent colour.

I've cut stencils from frisket film and again white lettering on black.

I've done a black decal for a black enclosure, cut a stencil, a slightly bigger outline of the lettering then used the stencil to spray a white spot on the enclosure for the decal to be set on.

stencil and hand lettering

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=17891.msg171853#msg171853

dave

Don't wanna revive a necropsy thread, but HOLY CRAP!!!!! That's amazing, Dave you are a total badass.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Aentons on January 15, 2019, 06:02:44 PM
Anybody use a Cricut?

...was thinking about getting one to try it out. I have a friend that uses it for doing stylized initial lettering on stainless mugs.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: dan.schumaker on January 15, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: Aentons on January 15, 2019, 06:02:44 PM
Anybody use a Cricut?

...was thinking about getting one to try it out. I have a friend that uses it for doing stylized initial lettering on stainless mugs.

I have a Cricut (or more accurately Mrs. Schutone does), that I have been trying to use for pedal purposes since she got it a few years ago.  I think I finally figured out a good way to use it for my nefarious purposes.

My most recent way of doing pedal enclosures has been to use self-adhesive printable vinyl for the art:
https://www.amazon.com/Cricut-Printable-Vinyl-for-Die-Cuts/dp/B00NMCU9ZO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1547604821&sr=8-3&keywords=printable+vinyl (https://www.amazon.com/Cricut-Printable-Vinyl-for-Die-Cuts/dp/B00NMCU9ZO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1547604821&sr=8-3&keywords=printable+vinyl)

And over that, I overlay a clear vinyl laminate:
https://www.amazon.com/Clear-Vinyl-Self-Adhesive-Laminate-Roll/dp/B0759SV64G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1547604890&sr=8-3&keywords=clear+vinyl+laminate (https://www.amazon.com/Clear-Vinyl-Self-Adhesive-Laminate-Roll/dp/B0759SV64G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1547604890&sr=8-3&keywords=clear+vinyl+laminate)

There was a little learning curve in how to layout the images to cut best, and even more learning in how to best put the vinyl on without wrinkles. But I am really happy with how it turns out.  I find that it is even easier than sticker paper and having to clear coat, and it looks way more professional.

Here are the last two pedals I did using this method (my BOTY entry, the Magnetosphere, uses this as well)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7818/46706085802_1267376f5d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eafU6q)20190111_075929 (https://flic.kr/p/2eafU6q) by Dan Schumaker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126000939@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4886/31817247177_bb96da630c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QtzH6c)20190111_075850 (https://flic.kr/p/QtzH6c) by Dan Schumaker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126000939@N08/), on Flickr
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Bio77 on January 16, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
+1 on the white waterslide.  Color matching might be tricky.  I usually do this on a black enclosure.  With a couple coats of clear coat it looks painted on.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: kennie.reresby on October 12, 2019, 04:40:41 AM
@dan.schumaker is she happy with the Cricut machine? Would she recommend it to a beginner?

read it on this site (https://freshlypickedblog.com/cricut-maker-vs-silhouette-cameo-3/)
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: kennie.reresby on October 12, 2019, 04:42:32 AM
sorry for double posting i accidentally hit the post button, please disregard my previous post

@dan.schumaker is she happy with the Cricut machine? Would she recommend it to a beginner?


I'm looking for a good electric cutter machine. There are so many on the market that it's hard to choose. This is why I'm on the fence. And I'm looking for some advice.

How good is the Cricut is it better than the Cameo? I've been searching the net but besides hype and trash I didn't find a good enough review.

Just the other day I've found this site (https://freshlypickedblog.com/cricut-maker-vs-silhouette-cameo-3/). Boy I was surprised by it. Have you seen a hatchet job? Are the claims true?

Does Cricut have a horrible tech support and the if you have no internet it's useless?

Any tips will highly appreciated.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Willybomb on October 12, 2019, 05:20:55 AM
I use get my stuff laser printed onto Datapol sticker paper.  It's basically water/chemical/everything proof.  If I manage to get it on straight, I hit it with a couple of clearcoats of Upol or Spraymax 1k and I'm done.

https://everylabels.com.au/datapol-synthetic-white-labels
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Caedarn on October 12, 2019, 06:34:32 AM
Re the Cricut Explore machine:  I've used one to make vinyl decals and labels for pedals. I think it's very good.  Here's a couple things to know.
- I do believe you need internet access. The user interface is like a browser plug in, and it seems to want you to log in every time
- Operation is a little confusing at first, but it's really easy to use.
- It does NOT print - only cuts
- The cutting head works very well and cuts cleanly.
- Don't try and print then cut an intricate outline of that printed object. The registration isn't that tight.  Printing then cutting works well for simpler outlines, or cases where you won't really notic if the cut doesn't exactly correspond to the border of the printed object
- I wouldn't use it to cut out rectangular pedal decals.  I use an exacto knife then a radius punch on the corners.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: SirEgno on October 12, 2019, 08:44:20 AM
I made only one pedal with white graphic on black background, and it was hard.
I first painted the enclosure with white, then covered the "graphic" part and painted the black. then printed on adhesive clear paper.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8f1Byzcr/20180203-103824.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8f1Byzcr)(https://i.postimg.cc/MXxDZd5K/20180403-211747.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MXxDZd5K)(https://i.postimg.cc/yg8wwsk2/Whats-App-Image-2018-04-05-at-21.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yg8wwsk2)

It is the cheaper method, I think.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: gordo on October 12, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
Ummm, what's a "radius punch"?  One of the more annoying things about white decals is getting a clean edge on the corners.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Stomptown on October 13, 2019, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: gordo on October 12, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
Ummm, what's a "radius punch"?  One of the more annoying things about white decals is getting a clean edge on the corners.

This has been a game changer for me (thanks for the gift Leevibe!):

Sunstar Kadomaru Pro, Corner Cutter (S4765036) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0076FJ7SS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_e30ODbW2TDBHD
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Caedarn on October 13, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: gordo on October 12, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
Ummm, what's a "radius punch"?  One of the more annoying things about white decals is getting a clean edge on the corners.

Whoops, didn't notice the message above --- disregard...

Here's a link to the one I got. (Shamed to admit I haven't figured out how to post pics yet, or I'd have done that too... :-\)


https://www.amazon.com/Sunstar-Kadomaru-Corner-Cutter-S4765036/dp/B0076FJ7SS/ref=sr_1_16?keywords=radius+punch&qid=1571000965&sr=8-16 (https://www.amazon.com/Sunstar-Kadomaru-Corner-Cutter-S4765036/dp/B0076FJ7SS/ref=sr_1_16?keywords=radius+punch&qid=1571000965&sr=8-16)
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Caedarn on October 15, 2019, 06:46:27 PM
Here's a couple pedal enclosures where I cut the graphics on the cricut.  The material is colored adhesive vinyl.  The cricut cuts very precisely.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: EBK on November 06, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
Just got my own Sunstar Kadomaru corner cutter today.  So excited to (probably) never have to round off a label corner with scissors ever again!  :D
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: gordo on November 06, 2019, 03:42:45 PM
I did too.  For the price I couldn't pass on it.  Coolest little gizmo I've seen in years.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Stomptown on November 07, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
It's a great tool. Especially if you print your graphics with bleed lines and cut them out with ruler and exacting knife. It looks totally pro.
Title: Re: labelling on a dark background
Post by: Leevibe on November 10, 2019, 12:59:43 PM
It's how I do my corners. Perfection every time.