https://youtu.be/jyEnYJmSv20
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Well, Gibson recently sued Mojo Hand FX because "Mister O" Phaser could be mistaken for Maestro: https://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=29869.msg316654#msg316654
Carl Martin should sue them now because they have a "Ranger" Overdrive, Carl Martin had that first.
Who's willing to bet that this is a Tubescreamer or OCD clone?
Maestro is "back".... and yet no phaser?
Quote from: Tremster on January 18, 2022, 04:06:56 PM
Well, Gibson recently sued Mojo Hand FX because "Mister O" Phaser could be mistaken for Maestro: https://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=29869.msg316654#msg316654
Carl Martin should sue them now because they have a "Ranger" Overdrive, Carl Martin had that first.
Who's willing to bet that this is a Tubescreamer or OCD clone?
Yep, nothing special sounding about it. I do wonder how they accomplished the gating in the distortion though.
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That's a whole lot of triangles
https://www.maestroelectronics.com/en-US/Pedal/Discoverer-Delay
Nice... Looks like there are internal trimpots for rate and width. Any guesses as to what this one's based on?
Quote from: Tremster on January 18, 2022, 04:06:56 PM
Well, Gibson recently sued Mojo Hand FX because "Mister O" Phaser could be mistaken for Maestro: https://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=29869.msg316654#msg316654
Carl Martin should sue them now because they have a "Ranger" Overdrive, Carl Martin had that first.
Who's willing to bet that this is a Tubescreamer or OCD clone?
Ugh, I pretty much ignore the commercial gear world so I had started forgetting why I dislike Gibson so much. I didn't forget that I dislike them, just forgot some of the reasons why.
Thanks for the reminder.
Those LEDs are pretty cool though.
Here is a Gibson marketing guy commenting with some good info over on TGP. Sounds like a phaser is coming in the next batch of 5 this summer
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/new-maestro-pedals-by-gibson.2319770/post-33970769
Quote from: Aentons on January 18, 2022, 09:41:33 PM
Here is a Gibson marketing guy commenting with some good info over on TGP. Sounds like a phaser is coming in the next batch of 5 this summer
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/new-maestro-pedals-by-gibson.2319770/post-33970769
Excellent!
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I have a hard-to-explain sad feeling about these pedals. Essentially, they aren't maestro pedals or even faithful clones of maestro pedals, right?
Quote from: EBK on January 18, 2022, 09:51:39 PM
I have a hard-to-explain sad feeling about these pedals. Essentially, they aren't maestro pedals or even faithful clones of maestro pedals, right?
Those are going to be the custom shop runs that come later
Apparently, the names Ranger, Invader, Comet, and Discoverer are all old Gibson amp names.
like star wars episodes 7-9, the soft shitty reboot no one asked for
Quote from: Thewintersoldier on January 19, 2022, 12:00:10 AM
like star wars episodes 7-9, the soft shitty reboot no one asked for
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5160387072/h6E955FB4/haters-gonna-hate)
;D
I agree about SW 7-9 tho
Quote from: Aentons on January 19, 2022, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: Thewintersoldier on January 19, 2022, 12:00:10 AM
like star wars episodes 7-9, the soft shitty reboot no one asked for
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5160387072/h6E955FB4/haters-gonna-hate)
;D
I agree about SW 7-9 tho
It seems to me like Gibson trying to get pedal money. But no one associates meastro with chorus and delay. Only a couple fuzz pedals. I'm not sure what the price point is but it's probably on par with much better offerings by companies who just do pedals. There is nothing that sets these apart except the retro dated graphics. I'm waiting on the slash signature pedal 😂
Quote from: Thewintersoldier on January 19, 2022, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: Aentons on January 19, 2022, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: Thewintersoldier on January 19, 2022, 12:00:10 AM
like star wars episodes 7-9, the soft shitty reboot no one asked for
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5160387072/h6E955FB4/haters-gonna-hate)
;D
I agree about SW 7-9 tho
It seems to me like Gibson trying to get pedal money. But no one associates meastro with chorus and delay. Only a couple fuzz pedals. I'm not sure what the price point is but it's probably on par with much better offerings by companies who just do pedals. There is nothing that sets these apart except the retro dated graphics. I'm waiting on the slash signature pedal 😂
Their main competitor came out with a line of pedals based on no previous history and nothing that set them apart. Gibson is just staying competitive. Whether we get a totally new circuit design or just a update or revision of something that already exists, then I'm all for it. They hired, what are now, big names to design the originals, who knows who may have designed these.
Having just watched the Reverb demo, I have mixed thoughts. They sound and look decent enough (especially the chorus) and the price point isn't terrible, but at the same time nothing really stands out as particularly unique or noteworthy. Where's all the cool old stuff that people associate with Maestro? I get that some of the old designs aren't exactly practical to clone exactly due to parts availability, but I'd take a modern reimagining that uses modern components while keeping the spirit of the old designs over this lineup of fairly generic offerings, and I'd certainly take it over 'limited edition custom-shop reissues' that sell out in 15 minutes only to be immediately listed on Reverb for 10x the price.
My 2c
the Chorus is wierd. The Mix control isnt really great, seems like a huge boost in the chorus side on the andertons demo
The Orbit setting is maybe a bit interesting. edit just watched another video. This is actually cool. its like the time and space on the Lovetone flanger, in that it adds a tremolo effect in parallel with the chorus, set by an internal trimmer. would have been nice to have the internal trimmer external, and the toggle on a second footswitch...
The Modern mode of the FZ-m to me sounded particularly awful, and in general seemed to massively lack headroom. An epic fail.
The others? A shuddering "meh" from me. If someone said "here, have one for free" Id take the delay as I felt it sounded the most interesting but it does sound really noisy on the repeats. Probably low voltage chips. Or on reflection maybe the chorus as it does something new-ish.
Quote from: Invertiguy on January 19, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
Where's all the cool old stuff that people associate with Maestro?
I speculate that the next 5 coming this summer will be more along that line. The Gibson rep in the TGP thread hinted at it and almost assured us of a phaser. Hard to say what the other 4 will be. Maybe a boost , a compressor/sustainer, would be the easy choice, but what about the remaining 2. Octave, ring mod, FSH, who knows...
They all sound fairly decent to me. Im particularly interested in the distortion and the delay. The andertons demo was the best. Andy's didn't sound the same, there seemed to more fizz and bottom end in his setup. But he gave us some gut shots, so I figured id screenshot an post'em.
Looks like 4x regular 8-pin dip ic's with 2 trimpots each in the delay. What could those be? BL3208A or Coolaudio V3208D maybe
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLUwNu30R8iTlPqspT473cWeEnJtKzmJx_h4_iAf3LYdYyrSNsHSpnpaRZzDdoWWjyvxrSXY7Y8yQ83bKvRPvTY5EIlokSm3l3ZlQFl_qaLq8hr_jDNjjoSYkOw-T1ixdkMccVVErZLUVQLzIcgmTqtvHQ=w1553-h907-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWWPj9tDnzjhuchJrm1-btKQwLwGli9_eCdWBObM3FB-mnxJrbfpiqFoHVfHKwwjJTsphcTo4_ZHIFro-8qjNta9u77Xq-vl7lzo5ZinpaGe3cN-IoWRzv4VNuqrK1BGxNUMduk8FSaiz__GXuq5CQbnQ=w1230-h907-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLV8u1tI7EaBw_B-KnosPkfukeQGFY7_O_i2n5Vp6J1MUGuId7vdx-vnfuEYT9e-PjD4-NFxn2h3V0kiDMvBjdM6-lNXqZbxRyM8gXsQ_ZGZGgmwH9g-ZPaIcwfktwhfBJaPBclsWiIm92KwhXYFxc9URw=w1067-h907-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVE5EAPFtv83VvkiDOewDZRI9QdjvTxeEYeQRfT1Hz7262nq2zb-2UFvKZ8IQTt7umFj896Su0On3NCD64n6FKSZEHYyMmOSvNPPA_d1-tZsjjpV7kysq6cCOkQN1bEfzFol9-2xyaIrV1Uxg-jQbfBUQ=w1317-h907-no)
https://www.maestroelectronics.com/en-US/#timeline-lern-more
The vintage ones specifically called out in timeline headings are these:
Maestro FZ-1A Fuzz-Tone
BG-1 and 2 Boomerang Wah
Maestro RM-1A Ring Modulator
PS-1 Phase Shifter
Maestro Echoplex
Maestro Parametric EQ
Maestro Octave Box
So hoping/predicting for the phaser, wah, ring modulator, octave and eq in the next batch
Hmm, looks like there used to be a Maestro Chorus. who knew...
https://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/maestro/daphon/ch70
(https://files.effectsdatabase.com/gear/pics/maestro-daphon_ch-70_001.jpg)
Edit: and an overdrive...
(https://files.effectsdatabase.com/gear/pics/maestro-daphon_od-60_001.jpg)
and a "Funky" phaser
(https://files.effectsdatabase.com/gear/pics/maestro-daphon_ph-60_001.jpg)
Quote from: Aentons on January 19, 2022, 03:13:19 PM
What could those be? BL3208A or Coolaudio V3208D maybe
Fairly sure that Belling does not manufacture BBDs anymore. Sadly :(
Honestly, we put this effort to shame. On any given day most of our builds look a heck of a lot better than these. Kudos to the cool little lighted trumpets logo but beyond that...
Plus there's so many good videos of pedals these days that I was hard pressed to make it thru the first minute of a whanker version of Satisfaction. Then again, that's probably why I don't do demos.
Meh.
Engineering-wise they look terrific. I'm less sure that they offer anything terribly unique or cool beyond the legacy, though. IMO, if you are going to revive a legacy product then stay true to it. That will sell. Modern construction on vintage effects is not as appealing. But, I'm no authority either!
Quote from: madbean on January 20, 2022, 03:13:39 AM
IMO, if you are going to revive a legacy product then stay true to it. That will sell. Modern construction on vintage effects is not as appealing. But, I'm no authority either!
Exactly. If you are going to use the maestro name, then at least use slide switches and rockers. Maestro pedals had a distinctive look and feel that these lack. The wallpaper graphics are not maestro either. These make me sad (I've already said this), not nostalgic.
Quote from: EBK on January 20, 2022, 03:26:00 AM
Quote from: madbean on January 20, 2022, 03:13:39 AM
IMO, if you are going to revive a legacy product then stay true to it. That will sell. Modern construction on vintage effects is not as appealing. But, I'm no authority either!
Exactly. If you are going to use the maestro name, then at least use slide switches and rockers. Maestro pedals had a distinctive look and feel that these lack. The wallpaper graphics are not maestro either. These make me sad (I've already said this), not nostalgic.
Precisely. DIY is different because that is more about the individual being able to reconstruct vintage/onubtanium without the price tag. This just doesn't fit the "authentic" moniker to which Gibson has attached itself. And, I personally love Gibson.
Reposting what the Gibson rep said on the other thread. I think they have big plans but will take some time for it to all be available. It all sounds pretty cool to me
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/new-maestro-pedals-by-gibson.2319770/post-33978282
"Gibson Brands use three main categories for gear - Original Collection (usually more traditional gear), Custom Shop (vintage recreations and high-end products), and Modern Collection. Please note that these initial pedals (and the ones that will come out this summer) are all Original Collection models. We've already talked a bit about what you can probably expect to eventually see from the Maestro Custom Shop. Across Gibson Brands, the Modern Collection categories are where you'll tend to find the more innovative things. Yes, we plan on having all three categories for Maestro. I'll let you all use your imaginations in terms of what the Modern Collection might ultimately consist of... that's what we're doing."
Quote from: madbean on January 20, 2022, 03:13:39 AM
Engineering-wise they look terrific. I'm less sure that they offer anything terribly unique or cool beyond the legacy, though. IMO, if you are going to revive a legacy product then stay true to it. That will sell. Modern construction on vintage effects is not as appealing. But, I'm no authority either!
I'm curious about the gate on the overdrive. How is that accomplished. At 150, surely it is t as sophisticated as say the g-string or similar.
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Accept no substitute. But in this case, kind of a no brainer to look the other way. Can't support Gibson after the hurt they have put on so many great, small companies.