I know some of you have been following the TGP drama regarding PCE and it's "Aluminum Falcon" Klon clone. It's been brewing for months, but the wheels are really coming off the wagon now.
It seemingly took Finnegan years to get the new Klon together, with multiple broken promises on availability and shipping dates. And now it seems PCE is having the same issue (or something that manifests with similar symptoms).
Is there a Klon curse? ;D
I've got 5 left. £100 each. Can ship tomorrow ;-)
They're out there if people want them and have no issues with Klones :-) Admittedly, I'm not doing any more once these are gone. I'm bored titless with it all now. Surely everyone has one by now who wants one?
Quote from: culturejam on November 06, 2012, 08:15:34 AM
Is there a Klon curse? ;D
No, there is not. To continue in the vibe of "The other Klon thread": There is a stuck up, arrogant bastards curse! ;)
Aargh 'Bored Titless'... another top drawer swearing catchphrase Juan.
Sorry... I forgot.... wrong thread ;D
Hey raul, you joinin' me and juan for a Belgian beer? Gonna start a new thread to get this sorted out!
Paul
Er...
Wrong thread.
Jacob
Quote from: jkokura on November 06, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
Er...
Wrong thread.
Jacob
You're right Jacob, I'll stick to the original one..... But will you join us for a beer? ;)
I haven't been following the PCE stuff that closely, but it seems like yet another builder trying to get into the industry without any real idea of how to run a manufacturing operation, even a small one.
Possibly an honest person (I don't know) who is just in way over their head. The main problem usually seems to be collecting money upfront and not communicating delays. People can be very forgiving if you just come clean with them, but if the communication shuts off, they seem to assume the worst.
Starting any business requires some capital (either personal investment or external investors). Using customers deposits as start-up capital is where things often seem to go wrong.
Quote from: pickdropper on November 06, 2012, 11:08:58 AM
Starting any business requires some capital (either personal investment or external investors). Using customers deposits as start-up capital is where things often seem to go wrong.
Yes sir. You really can't start any sort of serious business without operating capital.
Gut shot of the rarely seen Aluminum Falcon 2:
:o
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/79A96E7F-7676-4191-9A44-9F763BCBE68D-258-0000002081003B72.jpg)
Quote from: culturejam on November 07, 2012, 02:57:04 PM
Gut shot of the rarely seen Aluminum Falcon 2:
:o
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/79A96E7F-7676-4191-9A44-9F763BCBE68D-258-0000002081003B72.jpg)
That PCB routing looks, um, interesting to me.
These are essential.
(http://i.imgur.com/AyfBD.jpg)
Quote from: culturejam on November 07, 2012, 02:57:04 PM
Gut shot of the rarely seen Aluminum Falcon 2:
:o
(http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/peteyvee/79A96E7F-7676-4191-9A44-9F763BCBE68D-258-0000002081003B72.jpg)
Well...that's a circuit board alright.
(http://smiley.motorz.ir/ahswen/8.gif)
Quote from: madbean on November 07, 2012, 03:20:11 PM
Well...that's a circuit board alright.
Haha, that was almost my exact initial impression. Yep, it's a circuit board.
That's probably what my boards would look like if I made drew them up myself. That's why I leave it to the pros!
Geez. Fabbed boards are so cheap I can't see why anyone would be making their own two-sided boards.
Quote from: jubal81 on November 07, 2012, 04:15:27 PM
Geez. Fabbed boards are so cheap I can't see why anyone would be making their own two-sided boards.
You can or used to be able to order them fabbed from Express PCB like that.
Yeah I think that is fabbed. No way those vias are plated through by DIY methods.
(http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/TN4600lg.jpg)
I think he possibly used the Autorouter on his PCB layout software.
Either that or he had half a bottle of scotch before he did it :D
Quote from: raulduke on November 08, 2012, 01:36:37 AM
I think he possibly used the Autorouter on his PCB layout software.
Either that or he had half a bottle of scotch before he did it :D
Yeah looks like he had no more than 5 min. to spend on the Pcb design between 2 shots of whiskey...
There are lots of vias for such a big Pcb, plus some weird trace forms, looks like modern art!
Come ON guys. LOGIC.
Obviously, the board looks like that so he could prove it was his own layout, thus ensuring people that he did something.
Because no one, and I mean NO ONE, would want to claim credit for that layout.
Quote from: raulduke on November 08, 2012, 01:36:37 AM
I think he possibly used the Autorouter on his PCB layout software.
Either that or he had half a bottle of scotch before he did it :D
that is EXACTLY what that looks like
Quote from: atreidesheir on November 08, 2012, 07:10:20 AM
Quote from: raulduke on November 08, 2012, 01:36:37 AM
I think he possibly used the Autorouter on his PCB layout software.
Either that or he had half a bottle of scotch before he did it :D
that is EXACTLY what that looks like
I don't know about that. I've never had good luck with autorouters, but generally their traces are laid out a lot neater than that. That looks like drunken scribbling.
Quote from: pickdropper on November 08, 2012, 07:22:17 AM
I've never had good luck with autorouters, but generally their traces are laid out a lot neater than that.
I agree. Autorouters tend to use as many straight lines as possible and generally stick to 90- and 45-degree trace route elbows. That one looks like it has 30-degree (and less) bends. Also, so vias are round pads and some are square. And parts of it almost appear to be hand scrawled.
But there is no doubt the layout is not copied from anything. It's definitely a PCE original. ;D
Quote from: culturejam on November 08, 2012, 08:15:56 AM
But there is no doubt the layout is not copied from anything. It's definitely a PCE original. ;D
Indeed. :-)
I've read some of those threads. LoL :D
He's so over his head, probably wishing he never started selling pedals.
You guys do some nice work around here, this is a great hobby, keep it up.