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Title: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 07, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
(http://jonpattonmusic.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/nautilus.jpg?h=400)(http://jonpattonmusic.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/nautilus-guts.jpg?h=400)

This is built stock. Apparently Tayda still has not sorted their 1.8nF box cap mix up (they gave me 18nF), so there are 300pF caps soldered under the board, with 1.5nF's soldered to the top of the board. I trimmed the rotary so the knob looks right, but I'm not completely sold on those MXR knobs and may get something different.

This thing is ridiculously cool. Also loud. One of my favorite settings is shown in the picture (hi, band pass, down). It does a swirling, almost phasery, sound with a chaotic decay. I've never heard any sound like that out of any other filter effect.

I don't know what I'm going to do with this thing, but it's one of those things that's so good at what it does that I almost want to build a board around it and join a band where I can use it.

Oh. And this with a Lowrider = utter insanity.

I know some people have had some issues with it. There are definitely ways to "break" it with certain control settings. A lot of them have to do with the Lo side with the range switch on "Down," which is a very strange "strangled" setting and makes almost no noise until the envelope decays. Lowering the gain or the guitar's volume, changing the peak, or adjusting the sweep will usually get it working properly, by triggering the envelope less hard. The reward is a pretty neat sound similar to a lazy sprocket with a filter sweep. :)
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: nzCdog on November 07, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
Man oh man.... That is a sweet looking pedal!  Gotta ask, how does it feel with all that 'air' in the enclosure?  ;D
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Post by: GhostofJohnToad on November 07, 2012, 10:13:19 PM
All that air in the enclosure helps the little fishys to breathe.  ;)

Very nice build.  I love your hand painting, you definitely have a style.
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Post by: GrindCustoms on November 07, 2012, 10:43:15 PM
Dude! Must have take ages to paint all those fishies! 8)

Looks great! And how come do i don't have one those pcb! :o
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Post by: lincolnic on November 07, 2012, 11:26:42 PM
This is a beautiful build, Jon.
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Post by: gtr2 on November 08, 2012, 06:20:00 AM
Cool!

Josh
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Post by: pickdropper on November 08, 2012, 07:16:10 AM
Beautiful art. That must have taken a while.
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Post by: raulduke on November 08, 2012, 07:21:27 AM
THAT. IS. AWESOME!

Really cool build dude.
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Post by: midwayfair on November 08, 2012, 07:35:25 AM
Thanks folks! I should have mentioned that except for me not having two of the right caps on hand that this was a surprisingly easy build for such a large board. Very comfortable and I think one of Brian's best overall layouts from what I've done so far.
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Post by: dwstanford on November 08, 2012, 10:53:08 AM
Great job.  I agree that this is one of brians best layouts.  For a pedal i never thought i would be able to build, it was really easy and fun.
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Post by: raulduke on November 08, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
Got my PCB in the other day.

Beautiful PCB I agree.

Can't wait to build the sucker up and Boom Chicka Wow Wow with it (in my purple velour tracksuit of course!).
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 08, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
Can't wait to build the sucker up and Boom Chicka Wow Wow with it (in my purple velour tracksuit of course!).

Pics or you're wearing evening wear.
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: raulduke on November 08, 2012, 11:16:02 AM
Here you go:

(http://fashionfolio.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/juucou052_hotjuicycouture-com.jpg)

... Cute aren't I   :-*

 ;)
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 08, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
Here you go:

(http://fashionfolio.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/juucou052_hotjuicycouture-com.jpg)

... Cute aren't I   :-*

 ;)

You look NOTHING like your avatar.

I was promised David Bowie in a track suit. (Which era would that be, hypothetically?)
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: Bret608 on November 08, 2012, 11:40:30 AM
Would that be what Bowie lounged around the set of Dark Crystal in?  :D

Wow, you are making me want to try this--I hadn't thought of this as something that would fit "my" sound (if that exists), but it looks like loads of fun. And I love the teal translucent as a backdrop for the fishies!
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 08, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
teal translucent

yeah, this is one of those PPP finishes that just looks really amazing in person. My photography skills are ... lacking.
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Post by: juansolo on November 08, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
Fish!

Awesome.
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Post by: sst4270 on November 08, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
It looks like either the pcb is wrong or the artwork is wrong, but the HI/LO and Range switches are reversed...

-Steve

Great looking build.
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 08, 2012, 12:54:03 PM
It looks like either the pcb is wrong or the artwork is wrong, but the HI/LO and Range switches are reversed...

-Steve

Hah. Bugger. I must have checked that a dozen times. Oh well. They're not too terribly descriptive anyway to confuse me when I'm using it.
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Post by: sst4270 on November 08, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
I agree... about the Hi/Lo versus High/Low Range.

I received my board this week and I'm sourcing parts...
I know the BOM recommends a 3P4T rotary switch, but shouldn't it be 4P3T switch?
Otherwise you have a (4th) position that can be rotated to that does nothing...

Maybe Brian can chime in here...

-Steve

BTW: Here's the artwork I'm working on for mine... Hope you like it and hopefully no one is too offended by the clone-ish style...

(http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/sst4270/NAUTI-TRONIVARTWORK.jpg)
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 08, 2012, 01:56:43 PM

I know the BOM recommends a 3P4T rotary switch, but shouldn't it be 4P3T switch?

He did. http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=6759.0

It's actually a SP3T.
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: madbean on November 08, 2012, 01:58:40 PM
The rotary switches have a ring stopper that you set in position. So, you just need to set it for three rotations. You can also use a 1P12T or an On.On.On DPDT. It doesn't really matter as long as it has at least one pole and three terminals.
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Post by: juansolo on November 08, 2012, 04:37:28 PM
Yup, used on/on/on switches on our builds (as usual they've gone into the boards awaiting enclosures box. There's quite a bit in there!). Sounds ace.
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Post by: Knut Koupee on November 09, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
Excellent work
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Post by: guycapuano on November 16, 2012, 09:55:07 AM
Looks greart Midway, excellent artwork too!

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Post by: GermanCdn on November 16, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
Very nice, just finished mine, and also don't know how or where I'm going to use it, but it will get used.  Likely in my bass rig.  Will post pics this weekend.

Looking forward to your second nautilus build in a 1590A.   :P
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Post by: midwayfair on November 16, 2012, 10:57:19 AM
^ Thanks, guys. :)
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Post by: irmcdermott on November 16, 2012, 11:03:33 AM
I agree... about the Hi/Lo versus High/Low Range.

I received my board this week and I'm sourcing parts...
I know the BOM recommends a 3P4T rotary switch, but shouldn't it be 4P3T switch?
Otherwise you have a (4th) position that can be rotated to that does nothing...

Maybe Brian can chime in here...

-Steve

BTW: Here's the artwork I'm working on for mine... Hope you like it and hopefully no one is too offended by the clone-ish style...

(http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/sst4270/NAUTI-TRONIVARTWORK.jpg)

How did you do those numbered dials? I've tried but can never get it right.
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Post by: guycapuano on November 16, 2012, 11:23:21 AM
that nauti-tron artwork is excellent!
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Post by: gingataff on November 18, 2012, 09:18:24 AM
Love the fishes although I must admit I was expecting vintage caps  ;D

The nautitron is cool, I was planning something similar for mine but couldn't figure out how to do the dials in inkscape.
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Post by: LaceSensor on November 18, 2012, 06:29:08 PM
Has anyone compared the Nautilius to the Lovetone Meatball, or the MusicPCB Meatsphere?
Bean has both maybe he will chime in.
I understood the Meatball was originally based on the Mutron / Q tron...

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Post by: chordball on November 18, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
Has anyone compared the Nautilius to the Lovetone Meatball, or the MusicPCB Meatsphere?
Bean has both maybe he will chime in.
I understood the Meatball was originally based on the Mutron / Q tron...



Hopefully I will be able to tell you by the end of the week. I've built the Meatsphere and am waiting on pots and vactrols to finish up my Nautilus.

And Jon, your build looks great! I have a translucent teal enclosure here, but it's for my aquaboy. Definitely a beautiful finish.
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: claytushaywood on November 19, 2012, 11:54:36 PM
id like to hear some sound clips of this.  I'm sad to hear that the LP down mode is difficult to get working.  that's exactly what i'd be using the most of.  and lowrider plus nautilus=jerry garcia!  jerry actually had a killer setup almost exclusively for using a mutron III.  it consisted of an on guitar buffered (pre volume knob) effects loop that sent his effects pedals the same volume level no matter where his volume knob was set! 

ive also noticed using a compressor before envelope filters helps control the attack a bit and if you mess with your volume knob a lot you might wanna try using a volume pedal after the envelope filter, or get a jerryified effects loop on your axe!
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Post by: sirbergersworth on November 20, 2012, 08:05:49 AM
id like to hear some sound clips of this.  I'm sad to hear that the LP down mode is difficult to get working.  that's exactly what i'd be using the most of.  and lowrider plus nautilus=jerry garcia!  jerry actually had a killer setup almost exclusively for using a mutron III.  it consisted of an on guitar buffered (pre volume knob) effects loop that sent his effects pedals the same volume level no matter where his volume knob was set! 

ive also noticed using a compressor before envelope filters helps control the attack a bit and if you mess with your volume knob a lot you might wanna try using a volume pedal after the envelope filter, or get a jerryified effects loop on your axe!

Jerry's volume knob on his guitar was placed after all of his effects and his synths. That explains why he had two trs guitar cables plugged into his guitar.
I also believe his first buffer/ preamp was in his strat (alligator) and I think it was the original and probably the first stratoblaster.
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Post by: spaceboss on November 20, 2012, 04:41:09 PM
Nice work. Maybe even your best yet (I must admit that I am partial to marine fauna).

SB
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Post by: claytushaywood on November 24, 2012, 04:20:27 PM
id like to hear some sound clips of this.  I'm sad to hear that the LP down mode is difficult to get working.  that's exactly what i'd be using the most of.  and lowrider plus nautilus=jerry garcia!  jerry actually had a killer setup almost exclusively for using a mutron III.  it consisted of an on guitar buffered (pre volume knob) effects loop that sent his effects pedals the same volume level no matter where his volume knob was set! 

ive also noticed using a compressor before envelope filters helps control the attack a bit and if you mess with your volume knob a lot you might wanna try using a volume pedal after the envelope filter, or get a jerryified effects loop on your axe!


Jerry's volume knob on his guitar was placed after all of his effects and his synths. That explains why he had two trs guitar cables plugged into his guitar.
I also believe his first buffer/ preamp was in his strat (alligator) and I think it was the original and probably the first stratoblaster.

did I say something different?  it was just one trs Y cable that went from the pickups, buffer and  tone controls out the tip to his pedals then back up the other side into a military grade 25k volume pot.  the output to his amp was mono.  yeh alligator had the stratoblaster supposedly set with about 6db of gain.  tiger and the later version of wolf had a different opamp based buffer that had a much lower output impedance as well as unity gain. 

does anyone have sound clips of the nautilus in action?  anyone here use the new less expensive vactrols from small bear in this build?
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: midwayfair on November 24, 2012, 05:38:57 PM
anyone here use the new less expensive vactrols from small bear in this build?

Those are what's in mine and in Brian's prototype that he posted.

I keep trying to get time to do a clip, but I kinda need my neighbors out of the house for a few hours and have that line up with my free time ....
Title: Re: Nautilus. With fishes.
Post by: claytushaywood on November 24, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
anyone here use the new less expensive vactrols from small bear in this build?

Those are what's in mine and in Brian's prototype that he posted.

I keep trying to get time to do a clip, but I kinda need my neighbors out of the house for a few hours and have that line up with my free time ....

awesome cant wait!