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Title: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 10, 2012, 04:16:08 PM
The text is basically a repost of what I put at BYOC.  Sorry for the laziness, but I would've basically written the same thing anyway.

A while back, I decided that it would be cool to have a 2 in 1 pedal that had CJ's wonderful Shoot the Moon with Rick's cool Little Angel Chorus.

I threw together a PCB that was itself a 2 in 1.  The top side is the Little Angel Birthday Edition.  The bottom side is the Shoot the Moon Trem.  Build one, build the other, or build both.  Lots of options.  It's all SMT except the LED/LDR.

I designed the PCB so that it would fit in a 1590A.  I knew that it would be a bit of a challenge stuffing it all in.  Turns out I was right.  While putting this together, it was even more challenging than I thought.  I had to use more wire than I had planned, because some lengths had to be longer to accomodate them being stuffed in in a certain order.  But what really made it difficult was the 3PDT toggle.  The toggle sits on top of two 9mm pots, so I mounted it as low as possible and it still brought the board up higher than I'd like.  But (after many hours) I was able to wire everything up, and it is a 2-in-1 pedal where both the Chorus and Trem are true bypass, you just have to use the 3PDT toggle for the Chorus.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/pickdropper/Guitar%20Pedals/MoonAngel2.jpg)

Here it is from another angle so that you can see the control labels.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/pickdropper/Guitar%20Pedals/MoonAngel1.jpg)

And of course, the guts.  No shot of the underside, but I can take the next board I populate if people are interested.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/pickdropper/Guitar%20Pedals/MoonAngel3.jpg)
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jimmybjj on November 10, 2012, 04:27:48 PM
Craziness!!!!! So good! (http://smiley.motorz.ir/ahswen/97.gif)
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: Ettore_M on November 10, 2012, 04:33:29 PM
Holy cow!  :o Dude, that's just crazy!
The guts are unreal! Out of this world!  :o The enclosure colour and labelling are awesome too! ;D
Well done!

Hector
Title: Re: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: Om_Audio on November 10, 2012, 04:41:17 PM
Oh gat dam that's cool!! Smd allowing a circuit on each side, cool! Why don't you use smaller pots/knobs? I have a FT Distortion Pro that uses small ones for some of them, wonder if it would make it any easier?
C
Title: Re: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 10, 2012, 04:45:06 PM
Oh gat dam that's cool!! Smd allowing a circuit on each side, cool! Why don't you use smaller pots/knobs? I have a FT Distortion Pro that uses small ones for some of them, wonder if it would make it any easier?
C

I used the 9mm pots, which are the smallest that I have.  You might be onto something with finding smaller pots.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jkokura on November 10, 2012, 04:52:00 PM
Dave... you're blowing my mind.

Jacob
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: tagwap on November 10, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
That is stunningly professional. The etched enclosure looks amazing and I think 6 knobs and a switch is a record for 1590A.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: juansolo on November 10, 2012, 05:18:49 PM
Bloody hell!   :o
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: sgmezei on November 10, 2012, 05:51:01 PM
Obscene dude. Great job!
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: alanp on November 10, 2012, 06:01:45 PM
That is dead cool. I've had the thought knocking around my head of pcb mounted 9mm pots in a 1590A, along with mounted jacks, maybe the stomp as well but I don't think life is that tidy.

The LED's positioning right in the middle of the stars is also a nice touch!
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: icecycle66 on November 10, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
Some times you make me reconsider whether or not "hammer space" actually exists.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: fendman on November 10, 2012, 06:15:13 PM
What else can you say...Dave that is really class 8)


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Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: Haberdasher on November 10, 2012, 06:21:39 PM
pretty cool dude!
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: monkeyssj1 on November 10, 2012, 07:08:52 PM
Jesus
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jkokura on November 10, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
Jesus

Is a friend of mine?



(Couldn't resist. Sorry Dave)

Jacob
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 10, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
That is dead cool. I've had the thought knocking around my head of pcb mounted 9mm pots in a 1590A, along with mounted jacks, maybe the stomp as well but I don't think life is that tidy.

The LED's positioning right in the middle of the stars is also a nice touch!

There is also a rate LED that is obscured in the pictures.  It is set in the biggest star of all of them and is in the middle of the four pots.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 10, 2012, 07:29:39 PM
Jesus

Is a friend of mine?



(Couldn't resist. Sorry Dave)

Jacob

Ah, no problem at all.  Gotta have a bit of thread derail here and there or it gets boring.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 10, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
And thanks for the kind words everybody. 
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: wolfingsworth on November 10, 2012, 11:27:57 PM
I just can't believe you actually fit all of that stuff in there! This is one of those truly inspiring builds! How do you get those PCB's? I'm assuming you do your own layouts and have them manufactured, but looking at this build (compared to my usual jumble of wires) it's surprising that it was done ala "DIY". Nice work!
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: lincolnic on November 10, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Easily one of the most impressive 1590As I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: DutchMF on November 11, 2012, 02:04:07 AM
The first time I saw this was before I had any coffee this morning.... Went outside, had a cup of coffee and a smoke, came back and it is still there, in all its superbly finished, 1590A-stuffed-to-the-brim awesomeness! WOW!!!
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: night-B on November 11, 2012, 02:47:54 AM
Pure awesomeness and work of titan! Congrats!
I think you can stuff almost anything in these boxes  ;)
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: MattOcaster on November 11, 2012, 07:29:59 AM
Every once in a while a build comes around that just levels the playing field and redefines what you can and can't do in a certain area.
Congratulations sir, you've done it!

Even seeing a Little Angel OR a Trem in a 1590a would be an accomplishment in itself!
Clearly size does NOT matter. :)

What's the next craziest thing in a 1590a?
A submin tube amp has been done - which up till now was the craziest 1590a build I've seen.

Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: midwayfair on November 11, 2012, 11:04:52 AM
!@#%!@%



Edit: Dave, I hope you don't mind, but I'm putting a picture of this on the DIYSB 1590A thread.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 11, 2012, 11:51:08 AM
!@#%!@%



Edit: Dave, I hope you don't mind, but I'm putting a picture of this on the DIYSB 1590A thread.

Not at all.  Got a link to the thread?
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: midwayfair on November 11, 2012, 12:08:11 PM
!@#%!@%



Edit: Dave, I hope you don't mind, but I'm putting a picture of this on the DIYSB 1590A thread.

Not at all.  Got a link to the thread?


One of my favorite threads on the interwebs right here, 'twas a big inspiration to me:
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=64752.1140
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 11, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
!@#%!@%



Edit: Dave, I hope you don't mind, but I'm putting a picture of this on the DIYSB 1590A thread.

Not at all.  Got a link to the thread?


One of my favorite threads on the interwebs right here, 'twas a big inspiration to me:
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=64752.1140

Thanks Jon.  I seem to remember seeing that thread a while ago, I had just sort of forgotten about it. 

No wonder you draw inspiration from it; there are some amazing builds there.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: Om_Audio on November 11, 2012, 02:45:21 PM
One of my favorite threads on the interwebs right here, 'twas a big inspiration to me:
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=64752.1140

Oh man, awesome, thanks- this will eat up hours of my life in a good way! I spent hours looking at similar thread over there but not on 1590a-
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=36392.0
C
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: Stomptown on November 11, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
VERY impressive my man!  How did you get the white graphics on the pedal anyway??? I've been wanting to use white graphics but haven't found any info on how to do it...
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 11, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
VERY impressive my man!  How did you get the white graphics on the pedal anyway??? I've been wanting to use white graphics but haven't found any info on how to do it...

When you order PCBs, just ask the fab house to use a white solder mask.  Usually it costs a bit more, but sometimes a color other than green is a nice change of pace.

Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jimmybjj on November 13, 2012, 08:35:17 AM
Is c36 the power cap? I would be interest in seeing the other side of the board if you build another.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: LaceSensor on November 13, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
just ridiculously awesome
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 13, 2012, 10:01:31 AM
Is c36 the power cap? I would be interest in seeing the other side of the board if you build another.

Yep, C36 is the 100uF power cap.  There is an identical one on the backside as well.  Next time, I am going to seriously think about using a 1210 non-polarized there.  Much lower profile, but it is about 2$ a cap, so I wouldn't want to use too many of those.

I do plan on populating another.  I'll snap pics of the backside when I do.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: fish22 on November 13, 2012, 10:13:39 AM
wow. That blows my mind. Just outstanding.
Your lazer etching stuff is so killer. Wonder if my local trophy shop could do that.....
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: raulduke on November 13, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
That is the shit right there.

I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: icecycle66 on November 13, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.

No, I won't let that happen.

$150 to the first person to get me a full pedal board in a mini-pedal. 

How do I start a contest?

My requirements for a pedal board are, in order first to last:
Distortion
Flange/Phaser/Chorus (any one of the three)
Reverb/delay (either one)
Compressor
Must be able to use all the effects at once or one at a time.
Must be bass friendly.
Must fit in a 1590A or 1090NS.

Everything else is builders choice.

Srsly.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jkokura on November 13, 2012, 06:43:57 PM
I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.

No, I won't let that happen.

$150 to the first person to get me a full pedal board in a mini-pedal. 

How do I start a contest?

My requirements for a pedal board are, in order first to last:
Distortion
Flange/Phaser/Chorus (any one of the three)
Reverb/delay (either one)
Compressor
Must be able to use all the effects at once or one at a time.
Must be bass friendly.
Must fit in a 1590A or 1090NS.

Everything else is builders choice.

Srsly.

Well, I could get you the choice of effect, but not all at once, and not for just $150...

Jacob
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on November 13, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.

No, I won't let that happen.

$150 to the first person to get me a full pedal board in a mini-pedal. 

How do I start a contest?

My requirements for a pedal board are, in order first to last:
Distortion
Flange/Phaser/Chorus (any one of the three)
Reverb/delay (either one)
Compressor
Must be able to use all the effects at once or one at a time.
Must be bass friendly.
Must fit in a 1590A or 1090NS.

Everything else is builders choice.

Srsly.

I think somebody else can take a shot at this one.  :-)
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: aballen on December 14, 2012, 11:03:45 AM
I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.

No, I won't let that happen.

$150 to the first person to get me a full pedal board in a mini-pedal. 

How do I start a contest?

My requirements for a pedal board are, in order first to last:
Distortion
Flange/Phaser/Chorus (any one of the three)
Reverb/delay (either one)
Compressor
Must be able to use all the effects at once or one at a time.
Must be bass friendly.
Must fit in a 1590A or 1090NS.

Everything else is builders choice.

Srsly.

I don't even know of a verb that will fit in a 1590a, is there one out there?  outside that I have a 1590a for each bullet on the list.. but not in a single 1590a
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: studiodunn on December 14, 2012, 12:56:40 PM
That is a crazy sexy build, and the micro-soldering is just blowing my mind.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on December 14, 2012, 06:21:03 PM
I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.

No, I won't let that happen.

$150 to the first person to get me a full pedal board in a mini-pedal. 

How do I start a contest?

My requirements for a pedal board are, in order first to last:
Distortion
Flange/Phaser/Chorus (any one of the three)
Reverb/delay (either one)
Compressor
Must be able to use all the effects at once or one at a time.
Must be bass friendly.
Must fit in a 1590A or 1090NS.

Everything else is builders choice.

Srsly.

I don't even know of a verb that will fit in a 1590a, is there one out there?  outside that I have a 1590a for each bullet on the list.. but not in a single 1590a

I have been meaning to double check the brick size for that very thing, but haven't really been in any particular hurry because there are some really cool verb boards out there (albeit full sized).
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on December 14, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
I think the 1590 fad can now end; this is as good as it gets IMO.

No, I won't let that happen.

$150 to the first person to get me a full pedal board in a mini-pedal. 

How do I start a contest?

My requirements for a pedal board are, in order first to last:
Distortion
Flange/Phaser/Chorus (any one of the three)
Reverb/delay (either one)
Compressor
Must be able to use all the effects at once or one at a time.
Must be bass friendly.
Must fit in a 1590A or 1090NS.

Everything else is builders choice.

Srsly.

I don't even know of a verb that will fit in a 1590a, is there one out there?  outside that I have a 1590a for each bullet on the list.. but not in a single 1590a

Btw, which 1590a Flanger did you build?
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: aballen on January 05, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
Consider it checked.  The new small brick will fit.  I'm wondering if a mini rub a dub reverb might fit in there,  it has a small number of components... The layout would need components stacked under the brick or under the pots to make it work though.  SMT would work.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jimilee on January 05, 2013, 09:23:44 PM
I just want to see a tiny pedal board with tiny pedals. That'd just be awesome.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on January 05, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
I just want to see a tiny pedal board with tiny pedals. That'd just be awesome.

I've been working on one for a while now.  I've got enough 1590A builds done, so I need to get around to finishing the board.

I've found the problem with the existing solutions from companies like Pedaltrain, is that the depth is really still designed for larger pedals, so I am going to do one from scratch.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jimilee on January 05, 2013, 11:31:49 PM
I just want to see a tiny pedal board with tiny pedals. That'd just be awesome.

I've been working on one for a while now.  I've got enough 1590A builds done, so I need to get around to finishing the board.

I've found the problem with the existing solutions from companies like Pedaltrain, is that the depth is really still designed for larger pedals, so I am going to do one from scratch.
That's the only way to fly these days.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on January 05, 2013, 11:39:23 PM
I just want to see a tiny pedal board with tiny pedals. That'd just be awesome.

I've been working on one for a while now.  I've got enough 1590A builds done, so I need to get around to finishing the board.

I've found the problem with the existing solutions from companies like Pedaltrain, is that the depth is really still designed for larger pedals, so I am going to do one from scratch.
That's the only way to fly these days.

I actually like the Pedaltrain stuff and I think it is priced fairly.  I have a bigger one that I use and like quite a bit.  It just doesn't work for the smaller stuff.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jimilee on January 05, 2013, 11:41:47 PM
I just want to see a tiny pedal board with tiny pedals. That'd just be awesome.

I've been working on one for a while now.  I've got enough 1590A builds done, so I need to get around to finishing the board.

I've found the problem with the existing solutions from companies like Pedaltrain, is that the depth is really still designed for larger pedals, so I am going to do one from scratch.
That's the only way to fly these days.
I like the look of the custom stuff like salvage customs and fresh pedal boards.my buddy built me a custom one one similar to a salvage custom.

I actually like the Pedaltrain stuff and I think it is priced fairly.  I have a bigger one that I use and like quite a bit.  It just doesn't work for the smaller stuff.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jkokura on January 06, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
I have 4 pedaltrain boards.

PT2, PTJr, PT-Mini, PT-Nano.

I've said this before, you don't save any room with a 1590a with side mounted jacks compared to a 125B with top mounted jacks... Maybe vertically, but like you've noticed, you don't really use up less pedal board space.

Jacob
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on January 06, 2013, 01:30:09 AM
I have 4 pedaltrain boards.

PT2, PTJr, PT-Mini, PT-Nano.

I've said this before, you don't save any room with a 1590a with side mounted jacks compared to a 125B with top mounted jacks... Maybe vertically, but like you've noticed, you don't really use up less pedal board space.

Jacob

With a pedaltrain you don't if you orient them vertically.  You can save some space mixing between horizontal and vertical, but who wants to do that?  The main problem with 1590a and Pedaltrain is the depth of the pedal board.  I have a PT2 and a PT mini.  The Mini in particular is interesting as it is considerably deeper than a 125B.  1590a enclosures swim in it.

The pedalboard I am making for will definitely be smaller as it will be sized specifically for 1590a.  I agree that it is only moderately advantageous compared to a 125B with top-mounted jacks, but it is a bit smaller and loads of fun.

Now 1590b make the least sense to me, so I rarely build with them.
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: jkokura on January 06, 2013, 01:42:23 AM
The Mini in particular is interesting as it is considerably deeper than a 125B.  1590a enclosures swim in it.
...
Now 1590b make the least sense to me, so I rarely build with them.

Both points are correct, but the mini does one thing with top mounted jacks - protect the plugs. If you use top mounted jacks (as I do), the patch cables 'hang' off the back end of the pedalboard. On a Mini, that's no problem as it actually protects those jacks from being interfered with because of the back lip.

The real problem I find with mini's is that the location or the switch makes the pedal itself unstable. I find they want to tip up towards me, often because I switch pedals on with my heel on the ground and my toe tilted towards my shin, so that doesn't make for good 1590a use, because there isn't enough bottom surface to attach to the pedalboard securely enough to keep it from tipping, or wanting to at least.

A 1590b makes no sense to me either. My first debacle, which was actually my first attempts, at building pedals was to order a bunch from Smallbear to go with some PCBs from Tonepad. I totally thought I'd be able to get two jacks AND a little metal DC jack in the top side of those 1590bs. I made a complete mess by trying to drill them out by hand with full size bits (after making 1/8" pilot holes only), which were of course just marked by pencil (no indent from a nail punch to rest the bit in, so they walked). And then the DC jacks ended up grounding on the enclosure (metal DC Jacks)... Then the PCBs didn't work, so the BYOC kits were ordered, I got those built up, and fell in love with the 125Bs.

The end, sorry for the derail. Yay for other people liking 1590as!

Jacob
Title: Re: Moon Angel
Post by: pickdropper on January 08, 2013, 12:22:25 AM
No problem on the derail.  Frankly, it was interesting to hear a different perspective (some points I hadn't heard before).