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Solaris Fuzz

Started by rpark71, August 14, 2021, 07:21:25 AM

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rpark71

Hi all,

Just finished another pedal build (Aion Solaris Fuzz Face), my third one, which in theory was much simpler, but again have an issue with something. Power must be going to the right place, as switch turns on and off, LED lights, but no fuzz effect, just a single tone which increases with rolling volume pot up and down - no tone sound if volume all the way down. turning fuzz and contour up and there's some crackle comes in, but no sound via guitar. Click footswitch, so pedal 'off' and I hear the clean guitar through the amp.

Ground issues are the usual problem with my builds so far, but just wondered if this sounded anything obvious, hearing this single whiny tone with pedal on and no signal from the guitar. Any suggestions of where to look much appreciated. Have attached photo's though probably little help - yes, it's a rats nest of wires.

thanks, Rich

Zerro

 Do you have that pdf manual? With basic steps for setting?

And plus and minus power from power IC is at place?
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jimilee

I don't quite under stand what you have going on with your switch wiring. It looks like the ground is on pin 5 and the board in is on pin 2. If that's the case, they should be swapped unless you're going with something other than the standard Madbean stomp switch wiring.


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mjg

I think the switch wiring is ok, it's not a madbean board, so it's going to look different, but what I can see makes sense.

Whining sounds can be caused by a charge pump, and there is one of them on board.  Was there a special jumper that needed to be soldered (or not) depending on which charge pump you used?

Also there are a few pots missing - assuming that is something that is ok in this build?

Zerro

If that whinning is from charge pump, you can help yourself with capacitor 100nF (or similar value) at first transistor's collector R2 resistor. As I showed at picture. And for output of fuzz, controll with audioprobe signal at C3 (10n) at output - red point. To be sure, that fuzz as it is, is ok.
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Bio77

Since I don't see much solder on the top of the board it makes me think that you might have a cold solder joint somewhere.  Since there are so few components you might be able to carefully solder them from the top. 

For example, the resistor next to the fuzz pot looks unsoldered.

rpark71

Thanks all - yes this pcb allows various options, so there are two pots omitted, one requiring jumper wire and couple of components left out and other pot could just be omitted as far as I can tell. I'll add in build pdf later, and add the IC voltages for the charge pump -again that was an option but recommended to do.

Can see from photo about the resistor by the fuzz pot, so will double check or maybe as you suggest go through solder joints.

For the moment - thanks!

rpark71

Just an update with bit more info...

Aion Solaris build pdf attached. I omitted the Body and Input control options. Leaving off Input pot required a jumper between 'input pads', which was done. I was slightly confused on the Body control, as said to omit C1 and use CX2 and CX3 if using it. No need for jumper if not using it - so assumed it meant to include C1 if not using this control.

Checked the voltage on the TC1044 IC pins, and as I understand the schematic, think its ok?
Pin 1: 9.2v
Pin 2: 5.38v
Pin 3: 0v
Pin 4: -3.81v
Pin 5: -9.19v
Pin 6: 4.43v
Pin 7: 5.96v
Pin 8: 9.2v

I tried a different power supply (1Spot CS6 on pedalboard) instead of separate 9v adaptor I used initially to test and it doesn't whine, just crackles when on, but again clean signal comes through amp when footswitch is pressed off. Other than don't test with cheap standard adaptor, does that suggest anything? Back to cold solder somewhere being most likely issue?

thanks!

Zerro

Audioprobe and track signal from input point.
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BCS-127

Hi there! Just a quick question -- what transistors did you go with for this build?  It looks like they might be 2n2222, or other NPN silicon.  If so, you may need to omit the charge pump and set it up for +9V. The Aion build doc provides the steps for using NPN (omit IC, a few caps and add a jumper I believe)

rpark71

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Hi - yes I used NPN silicon 2N2222A transistors - I used the sockets to allow swapping out and try something else if needing too. I thought the voltage inverter could be added either way, as added option for different transistor types. So having means it set up to only use PNP type? I do have a couple of PNP germanium transistors I could try?

...just replaced 2N2222A transistors with NKT275 PNP and...its working a bit more - I'm getting some fuzz, but very intermittent signal, like nothing, then suddenly spits out fuzz tones, so maybe back to the solder joint and previous comment of using an audio probe. But one big step forward using right type of transistors!

Went through all the solder joints and re-heated and tried a different pair of PNP transistors but similar result. With volume and fuzz on full (and guitar volume on full) I get fuzz effect, but after a few seconds it fades quickly and/or sputters in and out. What might be the issue here - still a dodgy solder joint? Would you get any signal if a component wasn't right? Tired tweaking the internal trim pots.

rpark71

Figured out getting audio probe up and running through ditto pedal and there's no/scratchy sound at R2 resistor, so will look at re-soldering/replacing that.

thanks again for all pointers!

aion

Yeah, the charge pump is only for PNP transistors while NPN transistors need the charge pump omitted (and capacitor polarity reversed in a few places - the default orientation on the PCB is for positive ground).

Zerro

Here you see where to track signal.
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rpark71

Ah ok, thanks Zerro, that's very helpful as was doing it left to right through whole board.